Mark 7:1The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and
vs 2saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were "unclean," that is, unwashed.
Vs 3(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders.
Vs 4When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.)
Vs 5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?"
Vs 6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
Vs 7They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'
Vs 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."
The Pharisees had new commands which in turn creates new sins. So beyond the Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses, they had new commandments concerning washing your hands and cups and pitchers and kettles. And since there are these new commands, the disciples were committing sins that Moses hadn't thought of and that God didn't recognize as sin.
Well, these days, just as in the days of Jesus, there are men making up commandments and creating new sins to scare people with. This one involves the new doctrine of "Creation Order"
Bayly blog:" in other words, churches that do everything possible to hide the Creation Order God has ordained (without taking the final step of having a woman as a senior pastor) are placing stumbling blocks before women, denying them the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
How so?
Well, if the Law is our schoolmaster to Christ; and if the constant theme of Scripture when it addresses the sins of woman is a clear note calling her to submit to the Creation Order, not teaching or exercising authority over man but submitting to her husband; when this Creation Order is hidden, it is one of the principal sins of woman that we are hiding, and thereby denying woman the call to repentance that would lead her to the Cross.
Put bluntly, churches that hide Scripture's doctrine of sexuality are obscuring the Law and obstructing woman's entry to repentance and faith..."
Did you see that. By hiding the doctrine and commands concerning "Creation Order" people are causing women to sin. But I always wonder. If these commands concerning Creation Order are so important that women will lose their salvation over it, where are these commands mentioned in the Ten Commandments or the two commandments Jesus gave? God and Jesus are strangely silent on something so important. The quote mentions the writings of Paul and his instructions to specific churches. But none of these "creation order" commands can be backed up by anything spoken by God in the OT or Jesus in the NT.
Thusly, as these men read the Bible and read into it commands that they place on higher footing than the words of God/Jesus Himself, they create new sins for women to be afraid of and work to avoid.
If you'd like to read the blog for yourself, cut and paste this link into your browser, then replace the "DOT"s with actual '"."s. I do not want these men tracing the link back here. They have no business on a blog I started as a safe house for the walking wounded.
And I warn you. Comment there at your own risk. These men, who know ALL the verses that they think limit women by heart, they haven't a clue about I Corinthians 13 or Galatians 5. They can be extremely rude and hateful.
http://wwwDOTbaylyblogDOTcom/2010/07/tim-listening-to-one-of-the-clearnote-conference-sermons-this-past-weekend-it-came-to-me-that-churches-that-hide-the-bibli.html#comments
It is unfortunate that men like the Baylys are not content to work toward the goals laid out by Jesus concerning reaching the whole world for Christ. They'd rather figure out new sins for women to worry about and new twistings of Scriptures to figure out new ways to put women in their places, as defined by them.
And men like these are far more dangerous to the cause of Christ than any feminist who ever walked the face of the earth. imho.
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Wow, Mara, your post confirmed mine, I was a bit afraid after writing today, because of what I'm seeing,
but the Holy Spirit, spoke similar through you...I needed to see, it is a bit scary confronting evil,
driving out the giants per se, [because I am also seeing a long line of iniquity tied into masonry, at work, without going into full disclosure here]
read here, what I wrote today, I think it really relates:
http://homesewersneedleworkersunion-hsnwu.blogspot.com/2010/08/letters-from-concubinewhore-part-12.html
I read your post before you commented here. And I see where you are going. Or at least I think I do.
I like your take on the grudge and have had a problem, for some time, with (some) men not being able to deal with women's anger. And those men pushing the 'remain sweet' stance are oblivious to the fact that women's insides are being gutted by repressed emotions.
There is such a push to get women to fit into certain boxes. Like the, "Christian women are never angry" box.
Not sure why. Perhaps angry women remind these men too much of being scolded by their mommies or something.
But the giants have to be dealt with. Otherwise women will remain captive.
I always feel, it's better to have the anger out on the table with God, no matter how ugly it is, than to pretend it's not there.
I was thinking how to comment over at your place, but you beat me to it and commented over here.
Mara I just read your comment but I re-read [I skimmed a bit before] your post here, what this ministry says about Creation Order,
that is what is called Deviled Eggs. Its a mixture of egg yolk [with no white], mayo [that has vinegar/bitter gall] and mustard [the semblance of faith-truth]. It WREAKS of gender role order under the ancient pagan teachings where also Child Sacrifice was Also deemed as 'the creation order--the oldest child offered up to Molech or to the Mayans or to the Incas or to the Celts, etc. Yea, they were big on that whole Creation Order too...
it's the foundation of the Aryan teachings...one of the big ones,
also connected to Egypt. This is pure Hitler fascism, make no mistake about it--and it's going to get a LOT worse.
Jane
on this: Creation Order is hidden, it is one of the principal sins of woman that we are hiding, and thereby denying woman the call to repentance that would lead her to the Cross.
Put bluntly, churches that hide Scripture's doctrine of sexuality are obscuring the Law and obstructing woman's entry to repentance and faith..."
this is such eastern Pagan Sira school b.s. that it's not even funny--
the KEY, is when he says, [the witchhunt pope] 'repentance that would lead her to the cross' Meaning,
their cross for HER SOUL, KILLING HER--that sounds like the work of a misogynist who HATES ALL WOMEN to me and we KNOW who that is...
it is taking UP your cross, not LEADING ONE [females] TO THE CROSS-CRUCIFIXION--DEATH
the Cross is to bring Life, resurrection
not SOUL DEATH...
this is deviled eggs alright and dangerously so--this is the Kind of false teaching that they used to kill THOUSANDS OF WOMEN BACK IN THE MEDIEVAL,
like Jesus said, they will offer you up in synagogues and kill you THINKING THEY ARE DOING GOD A FAVOR...
it's coming...the witch hunts and woman butchering [religious holocaust] is coming. Another 'key' deviled eggs--mixing of Law with grace esp to Women
this ministry needs to Repent then too of not bowing to the Monarchy and to Feudalism if they are going to go with this--these are the teachings the Popes used to demand chastity belts, payment-penance and gold from genocide/slaves and blood--and let's not forget,
the Inquisition--murder of Jews.
Yep, it's here, good ole Swastika Churches in America, Zieg Heil and all...some scary stuff.
Jane
Jane, do you have any references or links to this being Aryan, Egyptian, Medeval.
Not that I don't believe you.
I do.
But others need to see the connection.
I have tons Mara, and the thing is, there are a lot of non-Christians as far as 'religion' who've been seeing it for YEARS, I saw it, when God started dealing with me about the RA in my life that had connections, ALL CONFIRMED THROUGH OUT MY LIFE,
that are connected to the masons/monarch programming which is yes tied into the cult or occult that goes All the way back to ancient Egypt, Sumeria, with Nimrod, Pharaoh, Mayans, the whole bit. When I first started seeing and I was reading OT at the time, I thought it was just me...
but when I started to do Research to make sure I wasn't just going batty, I saw Numerous others, who left the church long time ago that have been warning about this...
for starters, and really be prayed up because it opens up a Lot of warfare let me tell ya...read up on OT, esp the first five books [Talmud] and then Ezekiel and Daniel
then, go to you tube, look up and see the videos on ancient Sumeria, Nephalim [there are a lot on those And the revival of the worship of], do some research on the 'cult' of Israel not the nation now, but the cult, that is all into genetics, cloning [with huge grants] and alien worship
and that's just for starters, there is Tons more...
then, do some research on the Illuminati and masons, it all ties in.
Jane
Mara, I have so been enjoying reading a few of your blog posts. I found you on Elizabeth Esther's Saturday evening blog post - and I'm so glad!
After I went to the site you mentioned and read the post I was physically sick. I had to come back here to remind myself that there is sanity in the world. The comments were even worse there - the prooftexting is awful!
Thank you for standing up and being strong for what is right.
Thank you, Rachel.
And welcome.
Yes, it is sick.
And the worst part about it, people are eating it up as though it is the bread of life.
But it doesn't bring life. It brings death.
I rarely go to that blog myself because of how toxic it is.
The only reason I knew about it is because a friend pointed it out to me.
Sometimes you have to read it for yourself to believe it, that it really is this bad in some corners of Christianity.
And then you realize why people are leaving the faith, turning to Paganism or Atheism.
It's because certain preachers are handing out bitter waters and moldy bread, calling it good and God ordained. And then they condemn those who refuse to eat their poisons, calling into question their very salvation.
Thanks again for stopping by.
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